• Re: C Origins

    From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Thu Jul 17 23:03:00 2025
    Not quite. C came out in '72 while C++ came out in '85 and is an exten of C.

    you reply to the person instead of typing all. you're using the fseditor.

    Synchronet is a pain in the ass.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Fri Jul 18 14:02:58 2025
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Thu Jul 17 2025 11:03 pm

    Not quite. C came out in '72 while C++ came out in
    '85 and is an exten of C.

    you reply to the person instead of typing all. you're using the fseditor.

    Synchronet is a pain in the ass.

    but you have the ability to change it into anything if it's a pain in the
    ass to you. i see you're running mystic.

    mystic bbs became what those guys said synchronet was. just a bunch of
    boring stock boards mostly. on top of that it still doesn't have its own fossil driver, right?

    btw, i never got a thank you for getting their domain name back to them.
    tacky.
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From shitty@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Tue May 19 21:43:00 2026
    Synchronet is a pain in the ass.

    but you have the ability to change it into anything if it's a pain in the ass to you. i see you're running mystic.

    The stock Synch boards (aka all of them) have a feature where you can make your menus and hotkeys similar to a stock Renegade board, which makes the experience ok until you enter the message reader or the message editor. That's where the buzz is killed completely.

    mystic bbs became what those guys said synchronet was. just a bunch of boring stock boards mostly. on top of that it still doesn't have its
    own fossil driver, right?

    There's no need for one unless you want to play old door games.

    btw, i never got a thank you for getting their domain name back to them. tacky.

    When you do something for someone, you should do it out of the goodness of your heart, not to get a thank you. You want g00r00 to get on both knees for you?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to shitty on Tue May 19 20:52:50 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: shitty to MRO on Tue May 19 2026 09:43 pm

    Synchronet is a pain in the ass.

    but you have the ability to change it into anything if it's a pain in the ass to you. i see you're running mystic.

    The stock Synch boards (aka all of them) have a feature where you can
    make your menus and hotkeys similar to a stock Renegade board, which
    makes the experience ok until you enter the message reader or the
    message editor. That's where the buzz is killed completely.


    well the msg reader and the msg reader are 2 different things.

    I dont like the DMmsgreader. are you talking about that?
    The regular synchronet msg reader is comparable to other bbs softwares.
    BBS sysops can install whatever editor they want. i even made one out of AI and a lot of tweaking. right now i'm using quikedit aka iceedit.

    like i said, if you are a sysop you can change how things work and look with synchronet. you don't have to be a programmer.

    now mystic bbses are the ones that are the stock bbses. it's ironic they used to talk shit about synchronet and now they are like that.

    mystic bbs became what those guys said synchronet was. just a bunch
    of boring stock boards mostly. on top of that it still doesn't have its own fossil driver, right?

    There's no need for one unless you want to play old door games.

    well doorgames are a big thing with bbses, right?

    btw, i never got a thank you for getting their domain name back to them. tacky.

    When you do something for someone, you should do it out of the
    goodness of your heart, not to get a thank you. You want g00r00 to
    get on both knees for you?


    Yes i do expect him to get on both knees for me. but i heard he ghosted everyone again. Is this like the 5th time he did it? I lost count.

    Also, I don't think he's ever said thank you to anybody in his life.

    And before i thought you were the guy running mystic. you are a user on
    these bbses. if you have suggestions you should send feedback to the sysop. it won't hurt anything.

    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union

    ---
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to shitty on Thu May 21 08:04:01 2026
    shitty wrote to MRO <=-

    The stock Synch boards (aka all of them) have a feature where you can
    make your menus and hotkeys similar to a stock Renegade board, which
    makes the experience ok until you enter the message reader or the
    message editor. That's where the buzz is killed completely.

    There's SlyEdit and DDMsgReader, which give you a decent editor and
    threadable message lister/reader - that makes a nice bump and both come
    with Synchronet in the XTRN directory.

    I'm running the Renegade menus, with some ANSIs and color
    customization. Not sure that the stock message experience is a
    buzzkill, but I like the old school look of stock. Then again, I do
    most of my messaging through QWK, which is does well - I can FTP
    packets and replies to/from the BBS.




    ... Think of the radio
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 21 10:16:11 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to shitty on Thu May 21 2026 08:04 am

    There's SlyEdit and DDMsgReader, which give you a decent editor and threadable message lister/reader - that makes a nice bump and both come with Synchronet in the XTRN directory.

    DDMsgReader is in the xtrn directory, but SlyEdit is in the exec directory.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Fri May 22 00:14:00 2026
    I dont like the DMmsgreader. are you talking about that?
    The regular synchronet msg reader is comparable to other bbs softwares. BBS sysops can install whatever editor they want. i even made one out
    of AI and a lot of tweaking. right now i'm using quikedit aka iceedit.

    I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote, Ctrl-Z to save. It's just hard to remember.

    I can say this this nice thing about Synchronet: The message base system is more user-friendly than than Wildcat or PC Board.

    There's no need for one unless you want to play old door games.

    well doorgames are a big thing with bbses, right?

    I'm not sure, but it would be interesting to read a statistic that tracks how many people are still playing them (and which ones.)

    And before i thought you were the guy running mystic. you are a user on these bbses. if you have suggestions you should send feedback to the sysop. it won't hurt anything.

    My suggestion to all sysops: Focus on making apps for the Google Play Store and the Apple store (whatever its called.)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 22 00:18:00 2026
    I'm running the Renegade menus, with some ANSIs and color
    customization. Not sure that the stock message experience is a
    buzzkill, but I like the old school look of stock. Then again, I do
    most of my messaging through QWK, which is does well - I can FTP
    packets and replies to/from the BBS.

    Are you using BlueWave?

    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Fri May 22 03:05:45 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Fri May 22 2026 12:14 am

    I dont like the DMmsgreader. are you talking about
    that? The regular synchronet msg reader is comparable to other bbs softwares. BBS sysops can install whatever editor they want. i even made one out of AI and a lot of tweaking. right now i'm using
    quikedit aka iceedit.

    I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote,
    Ctrl-Z to save. It's just hard to remember.


    that's a bad example.
    that bbs is kinda stock and corney.

    those command keys were deuce's decisions. i talked to him about it but he wouldnt change it. we can use all kinds of editors in synchronet bbs.
    there is even a default built in editor.

    There's no need for one unless you want to play old door games.

    well doorgames are a big thing with bbses, right?

    I'm not sure, but it would be interesting to read a statistic
    that tracks how many people are still playing them (and which ones.)

    we would all have to be running some data gathering software and i dont think we can get everyone on board with tht.


    My suggestion to all sysops: Focus on making apps for the Google
    Play Store and the Apple store (whatever its called.)

    make what apps? you mean like a stand alone app that calls our bbses?
    it's kind of hard to use a bbs on a phone.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Fri May 22 03:07:49 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 22 2026 12:18 am

    I'm running the Renegade menus, with some ANSIs and
    color customization. Not sure that the stock message experience
    is a buzzkill, but I like the old school look of stock. Then again,
    I do most of my messaging through QWK, which is does well - I can
    FTP packets and replies to/from the BBS.

    Are you using BlueWave?

    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch
    boards.


    he's probably using multimail for offline reading.
    you can connect to some synchronet bbses via nntp.
    we also have web interfaces.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Shitty on Fri May 22 08:01:11 2026
    Shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Are you using BlueWave?

    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch
    boards.

    I'm using MultiMail. I was a longtime BlueWave user, but after Y2K
    started using Multimail instead. It looks/feels like BlueWave did, but
    there are DOS, Windows, OS/2, Linux and Mac versions. Only does QWK
    format packets, but I don't think anyone's running a BW door these days.

    Like BlueWave, you can install whatever text editor you'd like to
    create/reply to messages.

    https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail





    ... Do the last thing first
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Shitty on Fri May 22 15:31:52 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Fri May 22 2026 12:14 am

    I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote, Ctrl-Z to save. It's just hard to remember.

    I just checked that BBS out - They have FSEditor and SlyEdit set up. With SlyEdit, as alternates for those quote & save keys, you can quote by typing /q on a blank line by itself & pressing enter and similarly, save with /s .

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPTEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 23 04:40:00 2026
    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.

    I'm using MultiMail. I was a longtime BlueWave user, but after Y2K
    started using Multimail instead. It looks/feels like BlueWave did, but there are DOS, Windows, OS/2, Linux and Mac versions. Only does QWK
    format packets, but I don't think anyone's running a BW door these days.

    False statement! MultiMail is what I use to read Bluewave packets. :D

    It can handle either.


    ---
    * ScorpioWeb * Project Scorpio TEST
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Sun May 24 00:40:00 2026
    I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote, Ctrl-Z to save. It's just hard to remember.


    that's a bad example.
    that bbs is kinda stock and corney.

    Sometimes stock boards are the most functional. People play around with stuff until they break it (I've been guilty of it.)

    I'm not sure, but it would be interesting to read a statistic
    that tracks how many people are still playing them (and which ones.)

    we would all have to be running some data gathering software and i dont think we can get everyone on board with tht.

    I'd do it for my own BBS, then I'd get rid of doors that people don't play. (It's more of a source of truth than the voting booth.)

    My suggestion to all sysops: Focus on making apps for the Google
    Play Store and the Apple store (whatever its called.)

    make what apps? you mean like a stand alone app that calls our bbses?
    it's kind of hard to use a bbs on a phone.

    No I meant let's ditch BBSs and make our own modern social networks. That way we're not just sniffing Digital Man's farts.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Sun May 24 00:41:00 2026
    Are you using BlueWave?

    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.


    he's probably using multimail for offline reading.
    you can connect to some synchronet bbses via nntp.
    we also have web interfaces.

    Do you have a web interface set up? I heard that it could be done with Synch but I haven't seen it in action yet.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 00:46:00 2026
    Are you using BlueWave?

    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation on Synch boards.

    I'm using MultiMail. I was a longtime BlueWave user, but after Y2K
    started using Multimail instead. It looks/feels like BlueWave did, but there are DOS, Windows, OS/2, Linux and Mac versions. Only does QWK
    format packets, but I don't think anyone's running a BW door these days.

    Like BlueWave, you can install whatever text editor you'd like to create/reply to messages.

    https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail

    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to Nightfox on Sun May 24 00:47:00 2026
    I visit Shenk's Express (a synch board) sometimes. I don't know which message editor it has, but it's a pain in the ass. Ctrl-U to quote, C to save. It's just hard to remember.

    I just checked that BBS out - They have FSEditor and SlyEdit set up.
    With SlyEdit, as alternates for those quote & save keys, you can quote
    by typing /q on a blank line by itself & pressing enter and similarly, save with /s .

    My bad! I was overcomplicating it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Sun May 24 01:07:48 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Sun May 24 2026 12:40 am


    No I meant let's ditch BBSs and make our own modern social networks.


    i dont want to socialize with these bbs people. they're a bunch of lame
    fucks.

    there's the boring people and the posers. i'm the only cool guy here.

    That way we're not just sniffing Digital Man's farts.

    what the hell! how dare you! Didn't you see his ebike video?


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Sun May 24 01:09:08 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Sun May 24 2026 12:41 am

    Are you using BlueWave?

    That's probably what I should do to join the conversation
    on Synch boards.


    he's probably using multimail for offline reading. you can connect
    to some synchronet bbses via nntp. we also have web interfaces.

    Do you have a web interface set up? I heard that it could be done
    with Synch but I haven't seen it in action yet.


    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you to view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler shit.

    other people are using ai to make bbses. like that claudes bbs guy and stinray. they have systems that look the same.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Sun May 24 01:10:19 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 12:46 am


    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out
    on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that
    shouldn't be a thing these days?)


    events have to run and people can't hang online all day.

    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might stop you from timing out.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Sun May 24 08:05:04 2026
    MRO wrote to Shitty <=-

    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out
    on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that
    shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    events have to run and people can't hang online all day.

    True.

    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might
    stop you from timing out.

    Yeah or maybe wake the fuck up and pay attention.



    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Mike Powell on Sun May 24 09:08:08 2026
    Mike Powell wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    False statement! MultiMail is what I use to read Bluewave packets. :D

    It can handle either.

    I did not know that! I liked the BW format more than QWK, wish more
    boards supported it.



    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Shitty on Sun May 24 09:08:08 2026
    Shitty wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on
    BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that
    shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    Not when you can send up 6-10 telnet nodes on a low-end box...



    ... Adding on
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Sun May 24 16:25:00 2026
    On 24 May 2026, MRO said the following...

    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you to
    view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler shit.

    other people are using ai to make bbses. like that claudes bbs guy and stinray. they have systems that look the same.

    makes me wanna tinker with mine again. i mostly wanted to make the reader scroll the whole thread like you would a web forum rather than it being
    message based.

    also get rid of the initial login entirely and just ask before posting or loading a door or whatever.

    *shrug*

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi
  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 14:51:21 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mike Powell on Sun May 24 2026 09:08 am

    I did not know that! I liked the BW format more than QWK, wish more
    boards supported it.

    I looked into BlueWave kind of recently and I can tell you: it's file format actually kind of sucks - I would have added support otherwise. QWK with the Synchronet extensions (mainly HEADERS.DAT file) are way better than BW.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Breaking Bad quote #1:
    Just because you shot Jesse James, don't make you Jesse James. - M. Ehrmantraut Norco, CA WX: 70.6øF, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Gamgee on Sun May 24 17:47:21 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun May 24 2026 08:05 am


    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might stop you from timing out.

    Yeah or maybe wake the fuck up and pay attention.


    it's happened to me. i have to go do something and i forget and i'm still online. but what sucks is with mystic bbs you get stuck on the node for a long long time and can't login.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Sun May 24 17:55:50 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: fusion to MRO on Sun May 24 2026 04:25 pm

    makes me wanna tinker with mine again. i mostly wanted to make the
    reader scroll the whole thread like you would a web forum rather
    than it being message based.

    also get rid of the initial login entirely and just ask before
    posting or loading a door or whatever.


    messing around with ai was a little 'fun' for a while and i did learn more about javascript when correcting the code.

    now with claude i get cut off so much i dont even use it. i have a monopoly game that is 99% done but i need to fix the way it looks and that's on my largely.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Digital Man on Mon May 25 08:05:38 2026
    Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I did not know that! I liked the BW format more than QWK, wish more
    boards supported it.

    I looked into BlueWave kind of recently and I can tell you: it's file format actually kind of sucks - I would have added support otherwise.
    QWK with the Synchronet extensions (mainly HEADERS.DAT file) are way better than BW. --

    Truth be told, it's been years since I compared the two, and it was
    vanilla QWK versus BlueWave on Maximus. The truncated subject lines
    were my biggest gripe with QWK.



    ... This is it -- the center of the maze...
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ .: realitycheckbbs.org :: scientia potentia est :.
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Mon May 25 13:06:00 2026
    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you to
    view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler shit.

    Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked when Janis Kracht had a web interface for Prizm BBS (BBBS). The message base system worked great on the web.

    other people are using ai to make bbses. like that claudes bbs guy and stinray. they have systems that look the same.

    That sounds interesting. I uploaded the Telegard 2.5 source to Claude and had it create a modernized version of it for Linux but it still needs work. It's kind of a waste of time and tokens.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Mon May 25 13:08:00 2026
    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out
    on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)


    events have to run and people can't hang online all day.

    Like what though? Updates that require reboot?

    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might stop you from timing out.

    On Synch boards?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to Gamgee on Mon May 25 13:09:00 2026
    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might stop you from timing out.

    Yeah or maybe wake the fuck up and pay attention.

    BBSs need to allow people time to piss.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Shitty on Mon May 25 17:07:00 2026
    On 25 May 2026, Shitty said the following...

    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    events have to run and people can't hang online all day.

    Like what though? Updates that require reboot?

    at least for old BBSes, they might wait until the nodes are empty to do some tasks..

    for example, what happens when you import a bunch of messages and delete a bunch of messages (say, to keep below a sysop-chosen 1000 message threshold) while a person is currently reading messages might be undefined.

    some bbses needed an empty node because every node was on a separate machine that couldn't multitask.. the maintenance needed to run somewhere. while the machine they run on can multitask easily they're still programmed that way..

    yes this is all outdated. the concept of nodes, time limits, ratios, etc. all seem archaic to me.

    for example: "why does a user need to idle on my bbs all day?"

    why not?

    people think of a connection like a string.. the bbs holding one end and the user holding the other. like it's a physical thing.

    it's more like me handing someone a slip of paper and saying "we're connected" and then walking away for a few hours and coming back and saying "do you still have that slip of paper? i'd like to write some more on it"

    or put another way, the BBS could remember there's a connection, the user remembers they're connected. but your cable modem doesn't. every router
    between the two doesn't. there's nothing there, nor does anything have to be sent or received.

    so what we're left with is how much does it cost to 'remember' this connection is active (Linux)?

    ~2-8KB..

    so between 2048 and 8192 potentially active connected nodes idling..

    per 16MB of ram -_-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi
  • From Digital Man@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 25 14:30:32 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Digital Man on Mon May 25 2026 08:05 am

    Digital Man wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I did not know that! I liked the BW format more than QWK, wish more boards supported it.

    I looked into BlueWave kind of recently and I can tell you: it's file format actually kind of sucks - I would have added support otherwise. QWK with the Synchronet extensions (mainly HEADERS.DAT file) are way better than BW. --

    Truth be told, it's been years since I compared the two, and it was
    vanilla QWK versus BlueWave on Maximus. The truncated subject lines
    were my biggest gripe with QWK.

    Right, and both QWKE and the Synchronet HEADERS.DAT address that (and many other) limitations in QWK.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Steven Wright quote #3:
    Half the people you know are below average.
    Norco, CA WX: 70.6øF, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Shitty on Mon May 25 14:32:07 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Mon May 25 2026 01:06 pm

    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you to view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler shit.

    Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked when Janis Kracht had a web interface for Prizm BBS (BBBS). The message base system worked great on the web.

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Sling Blade quote #16:
    Karl Childers (to Doyle, re: lawn mower blade): I aim to kill you with it. Mmm. Norco, CA WX: 70.6øF, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to Digital Man on Mon May 25 19:24:00 2026
    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler s

    Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked whe Janis Kracht had a web interface for Prizm BBS (BBBS). The message base system worked great on the web.

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Shitty on Mon May 25 16:30:49 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to Digital Man on Mon May 25 2026 07:24 pm

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

    Yes, of course, but they usually need to authenticate first.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #74:
    Vertrauen went online (as a WWIV BBS running on a 10MHz PC-XT clone) in 1988 Norco, CA WX: 70.6øF, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Mike Powell@VERT/CAPTEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 26 04:14:00 2026

    Truth be told, it's been years since I compared the two, and it was
    vanilla QWK versus BlueWave on Maximus. The truncated subject lines
    were my biggest gripe with QWK.

    Same.

    Mike

    ---
    * ScorpioWeb * Project Scorpio TEST
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Mon May 25 21:10:54 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Mon May 25 2026 01:06 pm

    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that
    allow you to view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler shit.

    Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked

    nope i dont even want users.

    synchronet bbses can use the echicken web interface or the older runemaster one. they let you send msgs, email and download files.

    futureland has a cool web interface. also claudesbbs and a few others.

    vadv has a nice web interface for reading and posting msgs.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Mon May 25 21:12:15 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to MRO on Mon May 25 2026 01:08 pm

    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks
    getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't
    it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)


    events have to run and people can't hang online all day.

    Like what though? Updates that require reboot?

    doorgame events, a backup could be running, etc. something that we dont
    want users on the bbs for because it can cause problems.

    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram popup that that might stop you from timing out.

    On Synch boards?

    yep on synchronet bbses.


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Shitty on Mon May 25 21:12:33 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to Gamgee on Mon May 25 2026 01:09 pm

    if you hit ctrl p you can get little telegram
    popup that that might stop you from timing out.

    Yeah or maybe wake the fuck up and pay attention.

    BBSs need to allow people time to piss.


    ctrl+p to piss


    --
    "Before using Wildcat....This Company did not have a convenient way of
    looking after some of the richest clients in the world...Now we do!"


    President of BBS Sysop's Union +++ https://bbses.info/union
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Shitty on Mon May 25 20:54:36 2026
    Shitty wrote to Digital Man <=-

    yeah there's like 2 web interfaces with synchronet that allow you view and post msgs or send email. other people are doing cooler s

    Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked whe Janis Kracht had a web interface for Prizm BBS (BBBS). The message base system worked great on the web.

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

    Are you just waking up out of a coma, or something?



    ... Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to Digital Man on Tue May 26 00:57:00 2026
    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

    Yes, of course, but they usually need to authenticate first.

    Cool. I see the "post a new message" button and now I also see the "reply" button.

    That's excellent.

    So if I jump into sysoping a Synch board, and I set up the web interface, is it all customizable via CSS?

    What kind of files does the web interface consist of? Customizable JS files?

    Is there an option to set "last read" aka "message pointer date" in Synchronet? (An RG type of feature that lets users set a date for messages to be considered "new" so they don't have to scroll through ancient messages.)

    If so, can that feature be utilized via the web interface?

    Great job dude. I'm glad that you have a free alternative to the crap that B-BBS tries to charge people $100 for.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Tue May 26 00:58:00 2026
    Is one of them yours? Who has that? I want to check it out. I liked

    nope i dont even want users.

    synchronet bbses can use the echicken web interface or the older runemaster one. they let you send msgs, email and download files.

    Thanks for that tip. I'm a fan of echicken's shit. I will look for his web interface. I bet it's cool as fuck.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to MRO on Tue May 26 01:00:00 2026
    ctrl+p to piss

    Cool. I'll try it. I need to slam a couple more Voodoo Rangers first..

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Shitty@VERT/ALCO to Gamgee on Tue May 26 01:04:00 2026
    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

    Are you just waking up out of a coma, or something?

    I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for the longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock Synchronet boards, but I'm more interested in a good web integration than anything else so I might become a Synchronet sysop in the near future.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: alcoholidaybbs.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Shitty on Mon May 25 22:12:38 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to Digital Man on Tue May 26 2026 12:57 am

    So if I jump into sysoping a Synch board, and I set up the web interface, is it all customizable via CSS?

    This is really the wrong conference for Synchronet-specific Q&A - we have a few subs more appropriate for that. Also, wiki.synchro.net has answers to your questions as well, but if you post questions in the appropriate subs here on DOVE-Net, I or others, I'm sure, will be happy to answer as well.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #6:
    David St. Hubbins: He was the patron saint of quality footwear.
    Norco, CA WX: 70.6øF, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Shitty on Tue May 26 08:11:04 2026
    Shitty wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    That looks pretty cool. Can users post/reply messages over the web?

    Are you just waking up out of a coma, or something?

    I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for
    the longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock Synchronet boards, but I'm more interested in a good web
    integration than anything else so I might become a Synchronet sysop in
    the near future.

    That would be a wise move. Mystic is stale, closed-source, basically abandoned, and quite limited compared to Synchronet. Upgrades are
    always good. :-)

    P.S. - There are many other built-in features to Synchronet that you may
    not be aware of. Here's a good place to start:

    https://wiki.synchro.net/




    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Shitty on Tue May 26 09:47:24 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to Gamgee on Tue May 26 2026 01:04 am

    I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for the longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock Synchronet boards,

    There are a good number of well-customized Synchronet BBSes too. I wouldn't judge Synchronet on sysops who leave their BBS stock.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Tue May 26 11:44:28 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Nightfox to Shitty on Tue May 26 2026 09:47 am

    I had no idea that Synchronet was this viable. I was into Mystic for the
    longest time because of it's likeness to Telegard, and I hated the stock
    Synchronet boards,

    There are a good number of well-customized Synchronet BBSes too. I wouldn't judge Synchronet on sysops who leave their BBS stock.

    Many of us create a BBS as a hobby, and partly to reclaim a little of our glory days running a BBS in the 80's and 90's.
    I did make my own menu's several years back, when I upgraded synchronet I decided to just leave the stock menus for now.

    Denn

    ...sudo rm -rf

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ the Outwest BBS - outwest.synchro.net - Home of BBSBASE 6.0
  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Shitty on Tue May 26 13:56:19 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 00:46:00

    It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    I would tend to agree, however, for boards that still use dial-up and Net protocals, it may not be possible to segragate the two.

    You could contact your Sysop and see if he/she could extend your time. Worked for me.

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com
  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Digital Man on Tue May 26 14:08:28 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Digital Man to Shitty on Mon May 25 2026 14:32:07

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    Nice. Is the top frame line suppose to go through the board name?

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Tue May 26 13:03:58 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Mortar to Shitty on Tue May 26 2026 01:56 pm

    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 00:46:00

    It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't
    it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    There are still a limited number of nodes available on a BBS. If users logged on and left it idle, it would be possible that eventually, all the nodes could be tied up due to that and another user would be unable to log in. That might be unlikely these days though, especially if you have many nodes configured for your BBS.

    Aside from a human user though, it's actually fairly frequent to have bots connecting to your nodes on telnet, and without that timeout, they'd probably just sit there and leave the node occupied. Without the inactivity timeout, it could be very well likely that bots could log in and tie up all your nodes, preventing users from being able to log in.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Shitty on Tue May 26 13:05:55 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Shitty to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 24 2026 12:46 am

    Thanks and I am going to give it a try. It sucks getting timed out on BBSs that have inactivity timeouts. (Doesn't it seem like that shouldn't be a thing these days?)

    I think an inactivity timeout is still very important these days. These days, it's fairly common for bots to connect to a BBS via telnet, and without an inactivity timeout, they could just sit there and tie up the node. It would be likely that bots could connect to all nodes on your BBS and tie them up so that users would be unable to log in. The inactivity timeout helps prevent that.

    Nightfox

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Mortar on Tue May 26 13:28:50 2026
    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Mortar to Digital Man on Tue May 26 2026 02:08 pm

    Re: Re: C Origins
    By: Digital Man to Shitty on Mon May 25 2026 14:32:07

    Example: https://web.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs

    Nice. Is the top frame line suppose to go through the board name?

    No, I'm sure it's something I did wrong.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #17:
    CR = Carriage Return (ASCII 13, Ctrl-M)
    Norco, CA WX: 70.6øF, 57.0% humidity, 0 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
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    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net