• Re: Disbelief

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Wed Nov 4 15:23:40 2026
    Trump wasn't going to give you $5000 even if every single republican
    ran.

    Why not? He delivers on his promises more than any other president ever did.

    Where are the promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks?

    That was never promised. The idea was floated.

    or the $2000 tariff rebate checks?

    I heard that an Obama judge ordered the money be given back to the affected parties (foreign countries.)

    or the $1000-$1500 rebates to ACA purchasers HSA accounts for letting
    the subsidies expire ?

    I don't know anyone who purchased an ACA plan. Do you? But also I never heard about this.

    You were duped again.

    I'm still 100% satisfied with my president.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 4 15:38:33 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    04 Nov 26 21:23, you wrote to me:

    Trump wasn't going to give you $5000 even if every single
    republican ran.

    Why not? He delivers on his promises more than any other president
    ever did.

    Where are the promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks?

    That was never promised. The idea was floated.

    or the $2000 tariff rebate checks?

    I heard that an Obama judge ordered the money be given back to the affected parties (foreign countries.)


    "I heard" "I've been told" "Someone said..."

    some of the most common utterances from people suffering from rectal-cranial inversion syndrome.


    or the $1000-$1500 rebates to ACA purchasers HSA accounts for
    letting the subsidies expire ?

    I don't know anyone who purchased an ACA plan. Do you? But also I
    never heard about this.


    Yes, me when I was self employed. Many employees of small business that aren't required to provide health insurance for their employees. People who work multiple part time jobs.


    You were duped again.

    I'm still 100% satisfied with my president.

    Yep, people who have been conned are usually very happy until they FINALLY figure out they've been conned.


    Mike


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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 4 17:54:25 2026
    I'm still 100% satisfied with my president.

    The price of Kool-Aid hasn't gone up, has it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Wed Nov 4 21:33:52 2026
    I heard that an Obama judge ordered the money be given back to the affected parties (foreign countries.)


    "I heard" "I've been told" "Someone said..."

    some of the most common utterances from people suffering from rectal-cranial inversion syndrome.

    You're doing the same thing but even worse because you're misquoting the president.

    or the $1000-$1500 rebates to ACA purchasers HSA accounts for
    letting the subsidies expire ?

    According to the media the Trump admin started sending $500 checks to ACA Marketplace enrollees in September.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-obamacare-500-refund-checks/

    But I think I heard that it was only for people who had pulled their heads out of their butts. lol jk

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 5 07:22:18 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I hope so, but consider the possibility that voters in MI, PA, and NY
    are just really dumb. "Gas prices!?" "War!?" Maybe a lot of people are fixated on the wrong issues.

    Say "distracted by" instead of "fixated on" and you're probably more accurate. But, ya.

    But if our elections are fair and free, as the Left keeps saying, then we should be able to audit them and prove it.

    If the majority of legitimate voters are really that stupid, well, our country is done for. But my reality check says that's not the case and that there were lots of fraudlent votes cast, as well as Dominion voting machine changing votes (just like they did in the Biden "election" - and, yes, that was proven in some areas).


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 5 07:22:18 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    You're doing the same thing but even worse because you're misquoting
    the president.

    Well, since he can't actually listen to something that goes against his false Narrative, he can only hear the parts that he wants.

    But I think I heard that it was only for people who had pulled their
    heads out of their butts. lol jk

    So no Leftoids. Makes sense. Money should be going to people who contribute, not to the worthless Leftoids living in their mom's basement.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Nov 5 07:21:22 2026
    I hope so, but consider the possibility that voters in MI, PA, and NY are just really dumb. "Gas prices!?" "War!?" Maybe a lot of people ar fixated on the wrong issues.

    Say "distracted by" instead of "fixated on" and you're probably more accurate. But, ya.

    But if our elections are fair and free, as the Left keeps saying, then we should be able to audit them and prove it.

    If the majority of legitimate voters are really that stupid, well, our country is done for. But my reality check says that's not the case and that there were lots of fraudlent votes cast, as well as Dominion voting machine changing votes (just like they did in the Biden "election" -
    and, yes, that was proven in some areas).

    I think that too. In the past I never came to this conclusion before, of course others have (Trump, you, others) but this is undoubtedly voter fraud and I'm sure that Trump isn't saying it himself just yet because he knows that he can't say it until it's time to slap the cuffs on someone.

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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to Ron L. on Thu Nov 5 09:05:15 2026
    If the majority of legitimate voters are really that stupid, well, our country is done for. But my reality check says that's not the case and that there were lots of fraudlent votes cast, as well as Dominion voting machine changing votes (just like they did in the Biden "election" -
    and, yes, that was proven in some areas).

    You don't have a fact to stand on that amounts to more than nine votes. Your problem is the dissonance between what's in your head and what's in the real world. You have to believe nonsense because you wouldn't be able to bear the explosive agony of facing the fact that virtually everything you believe is horsewash -- and mean-ass horsewash at that.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 5 12:19:52 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    26 Jun 71 02:03, you wrote to me:

    I heard that an Obama judge ordered the money be given back
    to the
    affected parties (foreign countries.)


    "I heard" "I've been told" "Someone said..."

    some of the most common utterances from people suffering from
    rectal-cranial inversion syndrome.

    You're doing the same thing but even worse because you're misquoting
    the president.

    Am I? because I can pull quotes. I don't particularly want to spend time doing that becasue I have other things to do, but I can.

    or the $1000-$1500 rebates to ACA purchasers HSA accounts
    for
    letting the subsidies expire ?

    According to the media the Trump admin started sending $500 checks to
    ACA Marketplace enrollees in September.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-obamacare-500-refund-checks/

    But I think I heard that it was only for people who had pulled their
    heads out of their butts. lol jk


    That's completely different. It's not being paid into a HSA account. It's not to help with the subsidies the republicans let expire for people who need it. The payments are going to people who need it the least. ACA enrollees who make more than 4x the poverty limit, or around $60,000 a year (as an individual. +$20K for each extra member of the household).

    It says so, right in that article you linked.


    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Ron L. on Thu Nov 5 12:33:52 2026

    Hello Ron!

    05 Nov 26 13:22, you wrote to Aaron Thomas:

    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    You're doing the same thing but even worse because you're
    misquoting the president.

    Well, since he can't actually listen to something that goes against
    his false Narrative, he can only hear the parts that he wants.


    You're projecting.



    But I think I heard that it was only for people who had pulled
    their heads out of their butts. lol jk

    So no Leftoids. Makes sense. Money should be going to people who contribute, not to the worthless Leftoids living in their mom's
    basement.

    I live in my own basement, thank you very much.


    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Thu Nov 5 14:28:52 2026
    "I heard" "I've been told" "Someone said..."

    some of the most common utterances from people suffering from
    rectal-cranial inversion syndrome.

    You're doing the same thing but even worse because you're misquoting the president.

    Am I? because I can pull quotes. I don't particularly want to spend
    time doing that becasue I have other things to do, but I can.

    Yes, you totally are. Here's the Mike Miller quote:
    Where are the promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks?

    Trump never promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks. We can copy and paste text all day but try finding a video clip of Trump "promising" it so you can finally figure out how full of it you are.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-obamacare-500-refund-checks/

    But I think I heard that it was only for people who had pulled their heads out of their butts. lol jk

    That's completely different. It's not being paid into a HSA account. It's not to help with the subsidies the republicans let expire for

    What is it different from? I went by what you said and CBS of all people was able to prove you wrong in Trump's favor.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 5 17:57:40 2026
    On 05 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Trump never promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks. We can copy and paste text all day but try finding a video clip of Trump "promising" it so you can finally figure out how full of it you are.


    He promised 5K as a dividend from the 22.5 Trillion he's received in investments into the US economy, not DOGE.

    He said to get said checks he needs the house and senate and if he didn't get those the checks wouldn't come because the Democrats' policies are not conducive to market growth.

    Market list 2 trillion in market cap today... Maybe the 1929 market crash that Trump predicted if the Democrats got in is on the horizon.

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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to IB Joe on Thu Nov 5 19:41:48 2026
    Market list 2 trillion in market cap today... Maybe the 1929 market
    crash that Trump predicted if the Democrats got in is on the horizon.

    The Dow was up 1,569 points the day after the election, when the news was all about the Blue Tsunami. Still, the American people made it quite clear that they want the Democrats to rein in billionaires, regulate tech, and do something about data centers wiping out farmland and hogging electricity.

    Democrats did not create the bubble we're in. Republicans and oligarchs did that. Bubbles tend to bust.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Thu Nov 5 19:07:08 2026
    Trump never promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks. We can copy and past text all day but try finding a video clip of Trump "promising" it so can finally figure out how full of it you are.

    He promised 5K as a dividend from the 22.5 Trillion he's received in investments into the US economy, not DOGE.

    But "promised?" I don't think he ever promised. He didn't pinky-swear.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 6 07:16:38 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I think that too. In the past I never came to this conclusion before,
    of course others have (Trump, you, others) but this is undoubtedly
    voter fraud and I'm sure that Trump isn't saying it himself just yet because he knows that he can't say it until it's time to slap the cuffs
    on someone.

    What we know (i.e. this has been proven):
    1. There are invalid voters on the voter rolls - dead, illegal, etc.
    2. Many electronic voting machines are programmed to change the vote - proven after the 2020 election.
    3. There were several "glitches" like what we saw in 2020 (mysterious power outages, ballots that could not be read, etc.).
    4. Some state's SoS (like in Michigan) did NOT keep the voter rolls clean and even put dead people back on the rolls after they were cleaned.

    What we see - but not proven yet:
    1. For Biden, there were 40 million voters that cast ballots that never casted ballots before or since. This election it looks to be 20 million "ghost" voters.
    2. We have evidence of at least 1 voting machine that was caught "phoning home". It's illegal for voting machines to be connected in any way to the Internet.

    Everything adds up to needing a full audit. The math isn't mathing.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 6 07:16:38 2026
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    Trump never promised $5000 DOGE dividend checks. We can copy and paste text all day but try finding a video clip of Trump "promising" it so
    you can finally figure out how full of it you are.

    We've known that Mike has been full of it for a while now. That's why he slinked off to his "Conspiracy" group and stopped posting here.


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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to Ron L. on Fri Nov 6 08:21:59 2026
    1. For Biden, there were 40 million voters that cast ballots that never casted ballots before or since. This election it looks to be 20 million "ghost" voters.

    It's absolutely stunning to rational human beings what some people are capable of believing.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to David Dalton on Fri Nov 6 14:33:02 2026
    On 05 Nov 2026, David Dalton said the following...


    The Dow was up 1,569 points the day after the election, when the news
    was all about the Blue Tsunami. Still, the American people made it quite clear that they want the Democrats to rein in billionaires, regulate
    tech, and do something about data centers wiping out farmland and
    hogging electricity.

    Democrats did not create the bubble we're in. Republicans and oligarchs did that. Bubbles tend to bust.


    There was no bubble!!!

    I worked in the financial industry for ~ 25 years in both the US and Canada.

    The only 2 things that drive the market is Fear and greed... That's it.

    Why the market was high, breaking records...

    From Google...
    :Start
    All-Time Highs: As reported during campaign discussions by political figures like President Trump in September 2026, major U.S. stock indexes hit all-time highs 81 times.
    :Stop

    Trump's admin has/had 22.5 TRILLION dollars committed for his use to develop the economy.

    Joe Biden received .5 Trillion in 4 years and there was a record set one time where of 3 trillion, this was not the US.

    I believe this to be true because the media and or the Democrats did not dispute these statements... ever once.

    That's the greed in my statement...

    Had the Republicans swept the midterms the market would have went through the roof as investors would have been excited about the 22.5 TRILLION hitting the economy.

    "In numbers no one has ever seen before".

    Trump also promised to giver every adult US citizen $5,000.00 if the republicans kept the house and senate... Trump said this would cost ~ 1 Trillion dollars and he was going to get it out of the 22.5 he had.

    US citizens with 1 Trillion to play with, save or invest, would have added to the growth of the market as well.

    Recall Barry did not understand how Trump was going to bring back manufacturing...

    From Google...
    :Start
    The Quote: Addressing Trump's campaign promises to negotiate better trade deals and restore American manufacturing, Obama asked: "Well, how exactly are you going to do that? What exactly are you going to do? There's no answer to it. He just says, 'Well, I'm going to negotiate a better deal.' Well, what, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn't have an answer."
    :Stop

    Welp... It was the tariffs, tariffs were the magic wand.

    In short Trump told businesses, and governments, that if they wanted access to the largest consumer market in the world they'd have to pay a tariff to do so.... OR... They can avoid said tariffs if they build their manufacturing facilities in the US and employ the US citizens while making their products in the US.

    The first time in decades car manufacturers were building plants in the US and this is also true for drug and chip manufacturing as well.

    This is what the markets were excited about.

    Had the Republicans lost the house but kept the senate the outcome might not been received as bad...

    The FEAR that will drive the market over the days to come...

    The Democrats ran on stacking the Supreme Court, Impeachments, de funding the police and reopening the border to allow illegals back in...

    None of this will help the working class and none of this will help the economy.

    Headline...
    47th Anniversary of the Seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran: Record Seven Muslims Elected to Congress, All Oppose the Iran War

    I think the Democrats will keep their promise and impeach Trump 3 or 4 more times over the next 2 years. They'll over play their hands and I'm sure the Democrats will have buyer's remorse soon.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 6 14:36:46 2026
    On 05 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    But "promised?" I don't think he ever promised. He didn't pinky-swear.


    He did, repeatedly...

    He said if the Republicans kept control of the house and senate, read that again if you need to, kept control of the house and senate he's used 1 Trillion of the 22.5 Trillion he had access to to give 5K to every adult US citizen living in the US.

    He at times referred to this as a dividend payment.

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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to IB Joe on Fri Nov 6 16:43:39 2026
    I believe this to be true because the media and or the Democrats did not dispute these statements... ever once.

    If they had, I'm sure you would have known, since you know every thing and much more than everything.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to David Dalton on Fri Nov 6 16:22:16 2026
    On 06 Nov 2026, David Dalton said the following...


    If they had, I'm sure you would have known, since you know every thing
    and much more than everything.


    Nice response, well thought out!!!

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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to IB Joe on Fri Nov 6 18:07:42 2026
    Nice response, well thought out!!!

    Oh wow. You have quite a talent for irony, too, and the three exclamation points really give it a kick.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sat Nov 7 08:51:55 2026
    IB Joe wrote to David Dalton <=-

    The only 2 things that drive the market is Fear and greed... That's it.

    That always drives the market.

    Fear that your competitor may beat you and the fact that companies exist for the purpose of making money for their owners.

    I believe this to be true because the media and or the Democrats did
    not dispute these statements... ever once.

    That's the greed in my statement...

    That's because the Left always ignores any facts that go counter to their false Narrative.

    The media has been lying by omission for literally decades now and we all know it (except for the Leftoids).

    US citizens with 1 Trillion to play with, save or invest, would have
    added to the growth of the market as well.

    We need to remember that the Elitists believe that only THEY can propertly rule the world and the only way prosperity (for them, of course) can happen is if we aren't allowed to spend our money as we see fit.

    Recall Barry did not understand how Trump was going to bring back manufacturing...

    That's because Osama has never done any work in his life.

    In short Trump told businesses, and governments, that if they wanted access to the largest consumer market in the world they'd have to pay a tariff to do so.... OR... They can avoid said tariffs if they build
    their manufacturing facilities in the US and employ the US citizens
    while making their products in the US.

    So way back, like 100 years, we had no income tax. The gov't was basically run on tariffs. Some world wars messed that up (no trade = no tariffs) so we had income tax for a while. Then the Lefties decided to use tariffs as an income source, instead of leverage and that caused problems. So they did what all good ignorant people do: reverted to child like thinking. i.e. Tariffs Bad. Income Tax Good.

    IHMO: No one should be allowed to run for office without having spent time running a business.

    The FEAR that will drive the market over the days to come...

    Years to come. The fear of uncertainity will cause more problems.

    It takes a while, and lots of money, to build a manufacturing plant. Companies don't want to do this unless they are pretty sure that they will see a return on their investment. Hence why companies don't build anything in communist countries.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to David Dalton on Sat Nov 7 13:43:18 2026
    On 06 Nov 2026, David Dalton said the following...


    Oh wow. You have quite a talent for irony, too, and the three exclamation points really give it a kick.


    Sorry, I over answered... I read something untrue and I responded. Like most liberals you caved at on facts.

    I was going to answer in a manner that you would understand, that's not true, Na na na bo bo...

    But I went with facts.

    Sorry, I'll lay off the facts with you.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Nov 7 14:48:26 2026
    On 07 Nov 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    That always drives the market.

    Fear that your competitor may beat you and the fact that companies exist for the purpose of making money for their owners.


    Back in the early 2000's I was working in the field and Bridgestone tires were having issues, the tires were blowing while you were driving. Ford used these tires and when this came to light Ford's stock went from mid 30's to single digit. In a day... (Fear)... It went back up in price shortly after because people put 2 and 2 together and realized that Ford's stock was correctly valued at the price it was.

    There is some math and thinking to do with the market, but it does run on those 2 things.

    BTW, I was working during the Tech Bubble, exciting times.


    That's because the Left always ignores any facts that go counter to
    their false Narrative.

    The media has been lying by omission for literally decades now and we
    all know it (except for the Leftoids).


    I wish this wasn't the case.

    I think we are heading for some interesting things for the next 60'ish days a head.


    We need to remember that the Elitists believe that only THEY can
    propertly rule the world and the only way prosperity (for them, of
    course) can happen is if we aren't allowed to spend our money as we see fit.


    I can handles the elites, it's the white female liberals that are destroying the west.


    That's because Osama has never done any work in his life.


    I understand this... I thought Presidents had advisors that told them neat ideas.

    The US was paying the highest drug prices. In essence the US was subsidizing the cost of research for new drugs for the entire world.

    Trump asked the Pharmaceutical companies to lower the cost of medication and make it more fair for the US consumers.
    They said they couldn't and then said if he (Trump) could get the other countries to agree they would.

    Trump then called all the other countries and threatened tariffs and whatnot and then they all agreed, and now the US has the lowest drug prices.

    They guy always works the angle to help the citizens of America.


    So way back, like 100 years, we had no income tax. The gov't was basically run on tariffs. Some world wars messed that up (no trade = no tariffs) so we had income tax for a while. Then the Lefties decided to use tariffs as an income source, instead of leverage and that caused problems. So they did what all good ignorant people do: reverted to
    child like thinking. i.e. Tariffs Bad. Income Tax Good.

    IHMO: No one should be allowed to run for office without having spent
    time running a business.


    I was thinking about why in F**k do we have the 16th Amendment anyway. The country was making a sh!t load of money off of tariffs, so what was the need?

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/16th-amendment

    Interesting story

    I wished the amendment capped it at 10% or something. The Democrats want to redistribute income. something so simple as to get people to pay 1, 2 or 3% of your income and now they want to take everything you own to give to others that live in their mommy's basement.


    Years to come. The fear of uncertainity will cause more problems.

    It takes a while, and lots of money, to build a manufacturing plant. Companies don't want to do this unless they are pretty sure that they
    will see a return on their investment. Hence why companies don't build anything in communist countries.


    Hence if the Democrats like communism so much they should move to a communist country.

    I think Trump should negotiate with Canada and trade 1 conservative Canadians for 3 Liberal Americans.

    That'll shut them up.

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  • From David Dalton@1:3634/62 to IB Joe on Sat Nov 7 16:26:09 2026
    Sorry, I'll lay off the facts with you.

    When you hit me with one of your facts, be sure to give it three exclamation points, else I might not recognize it as one of your facts.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Sat Nov 7 19:55:36 2026
    But "promised?" I don't think he ever promised. He didn't pinky-swear


    He did, repeatedly...

    He said if the Republicans kept control of the house and senate, read
    that again if you need to, kept control of the house and senate he's
    used 1 Trillion of the 22.5 Trillion he had access to to give 5K to
    every adult US citizen living in the US.

    Now I see what you mean, but I'm referring to way back when Elon Musk was working as a white house volunteer and Trump mentioned the possibility of $5000 DOGE dividend checks, but back then it wasn't a promise, it was a "possibility that we're looking into." It wasn't until much later that it turned into "vote red and if we keep the house and senate then I promise the $5000 checks."

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Nov 8 09:38:01 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    There is some math and thinking to do with the market, but it does run
    on those 2 things.

    But it's not just the stock market.

    The company I'm working for now is driven by the same thing: Fear (that our competitors will leap-frog us, our software won't work right, etc.) and money (because without money, there is no company).

    I'm driven by the same things: Fear (meteor hitting my home, crazy leftoids, etc.) and money (without which things would be not nice for us).

    But none of that is bad. It keeps us on our toes and keeps us productive.

    Now, let's compare to the average Leftoid. It's still fear and money, but it's irrational fear and having enough money to get their morning latte.

    For the Elitists, it's fear that they aren't Elite and having all the money.

    I think we are heading for some interesting things for the next 60'ish days a head.

    I think so too. 7 million votes cast in Wisc, but only 4 million voters. 20 million "ghost" voters in Texas.

    If this is allowed to stand, there will be civil war and the leftoids won't be the winners.

    I can handles the elites, it's the white female liberals that are destroying the west.

    They believe that they are part of the Elitists. But are too stupid to see that they are only useful idiots.

    I understand this... I thought Presidents had advisors that told them
    neat ideas.

    The advisors are supposed to advise, but it's still up to the President. It was obvious that Obama 2.0 (i.e. Biden) was not in charge. But it's become obvious that Obama 1.0 wasn't in charge either. He was doing what he was told.
    The only difference between 1.0 and 2.0 is that 1.0 could follow complex instructions - and not soil himself or wander off.

    The US was paying the highest drug prices. In essence the US was subsidizing the cost of research for new drugs for the entire world.

    That's been going on for a long time - long before Osama. I'm glad that Trump put a stop to that.

    They guy always works the angle to help the citizens of America.

    Yup. But the Elitists don't like that since it takes power AWAY from them and puts it back in to our hands.

    I hear that we now have email evidence of collusion to keep fuel prices high until the midterms to make Trump look bad, but to make the Democrats look good.
    Which also implies that the "fix" was in for the midterms for a long time. The word "conspiracy" (in a legal way) comes to mind now.

    I was thinking about why in F**k do we have the 16th Amendment anyway.
    The country was making a sh!t load of money off of tariffs, so what was the need?

    This is what happens when we have business-illiterate congress-critters combined with Elitists in power positions.

    I wished the amendment capped it at 10% or something. The Democrats
    want to redistribute income.

    No. They wanted to control our income. Remember with Democrats it's $X in, but only $0.1X out with the rest going in to someone's pocket.

    One of the big problems we've had as a country is evaluating policies on their INTENT not their OUTCOME.

    Hence if the Democrats like communism so much they should move to a communist country.

    Good luck finding one today. Even China is not completely communistic.

    I think Trump should negotiate with Canada and trade 1 conservative Canadians for 3 Liberal Americans.

    Not even Carney is stupid enough to do that.

    That's like saying "I'll trade you 3 useless people for a useful one."


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to David Dalton on Sun Nov 8 14:36:04 2026
    On 07 Nov 2026, David Dalton said the following...


    When you hit me with one of your facts, be sure to give it three exclamation points, else I might not recognize it as one of your facts.


    No problem

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 8 14:47:56 2026
    On 07 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Now I see what you mean, but I'm referring to way back when Elon Musk was working as a white house volunteer and Trump mentioned the possibility
    of $5000 DOGE dividend checks, but back then it wasn't a promise, it was
    a "possibility that we're looking into." It wasn't until much later that it turned into "vote red and if we keep the house and senate then I promise the $5000 checks."


    I don't recall that... I have what I think might explain it... If Trump was to give $5,000.00 out of money DOGE saved he'd more have to get congress to approve it in some way, the budget. We had Thune as a Senate leader and we had the Democrats vote no on everything.

    This other 5K Trump promised was coming from he had in his hand, the 22.5 Trillion, and may not have needed congressional approval.

    If he needed to get congress to approve things, assuming he kept the house and senate, he would have done something like what he did with the $1776.00 bonus to the military.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Nov 8 16:00:38 2026
    On 08 Nov 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    For the Elitists, it's fear that they aren't Elite and having all the money.


    I don't smoke dope so I don't spend much time worrying about meteors and what not hitting my house.

    I think we are in the times where the Elites are not listening to the population. Recall the French revolution?? "Let them eat cake" the elites misreads the room for too long and all hell breaks loose.

    We maybe at a crossroads and it'll only make sense in the history books


    I think so too. 7 million votes cast in Wisc, but only 4 million
    voters. 20 million "ghost" voters in Texas.

    If this is allowed to stand, there will be civil war and the leftoids won't be the winners.


    I know, somethings up. I think Texas should do a hand recount and check the list of people who voted against the list of citizens.

    We could have had the Save Act but we had Thune as a leader.


    They believe that they are part of the Elitists. But are too stupid to see that they are only useful idiots.


    I saw a clip today where there was a Democrat angry and foaming at the mouth pissed off that the Democrats weren't hanging and or killing Republicans.

    They claim to be a big tent party, welp, now they have a group of people that want to take other peoples assets to be redistributed to those that didn't earn it. Others in that tent want the government support to open more Learing Centers, whereas others want open borders, Food Stamps and Universal Health Care, the list goes on.

    This Democrat party will be screwed if they don't impeach everyone and burn the place down.


    The advisors are supposed to advise, but it's still up to the President. It was obvious that Obama 2.0 (i.e. Biden) was not in charge. But it's become obvious that Obama 1.0 wasn't in charge either. He was doing
    what he was told. The only difference between 1.0 and 2.0 is that 1.0 could follow complex instructions - and not soil himself or wander off.


    I think Barry did what he did, 1.0 or 2.0, to the US fail. He might get his wish. If the Democrats reopen the border it'll be like France, current times, within the months ahead.


    That's been going on for a long time - long before Osama. I'm glad that Trump put a stop to that.


    It's been going on forever. The US has rebuilt Europe twice now, 1st and 2nd world wars. Canada leached off the US with their Trade Deals. I saw something quickly today that the US has given multiple TRILLIONS, I think it was 6, to help them establish themselves. AND we have nothing to show for it, nothing.

    I'm sure the NGOs did well, but Africa did not.


    Yup. But the Elitists don't like that since it takes power AWAY from
    them and puts it back in to our hands.

    I hear that we now have email evidence of collusion to keep fuel prices high until the midterms to make Trump look bad, but to make the
    Democrats look good. Which also implies that the "fix" was in for the midterms for a long time. The word "conspiracy" (in a legal way) comes
    to mind now.


    I heard that the Blue cities/states were even adding gas taxes and don't forget that Ukraine was bombing refineries as well.


    One of the big problems we've had as a country is evaluating policies on their INTENT not their OUTCOME.


    Who knows, I read over a small document while I mad the statement you are responding to... It all sounded cool. They wanted to raise money to pay for the Civil War... they tried to do so without the 16th Amendment and it was challenged in court and it was found unconstitutional.

    So the 16th Amendment came about, and it did so quickly. There was no upper limit added in giving them the ability to charge what level they want.


    I think Trump should negotiate with Canada and trade 1 conservative Canadians for 3 Liberal Americans.

    Not even Carney is stupid enough to do that.


    I don't think you know how stupid he is.


    That's like saying "I'll trade you 3 useless people for a useful one."


    Yup, and that'll work just fine for the US.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Sun Nov 8 21:08:36 2026
    Now I see what you mean, but I'm referring to way back when Elon Musk working as a white house volunteer and Trump mentioned the possibilit of $5000 DOGE dividend checks, but back then it wasn't a promise, it a "possibility that we're looking into." It wasn't until much later t it turned into "vote red and if we keep the house and senate then I promise the $5000 checks."

    I don't recall that... I have what I think might explain it... If Trump was to give $5,000.00 out of money DOGE saved he'd more have to get congress to approve it in some way, the budget. We had Thune as a
    Senate leader and we had the Democrats vote no on everything.

    That explains that. There was no way to get the DOGE money to the taxpayers because it wasn't allocated for that. I wonder what did become of it then.

    The tariff money went back to the countries who've been ripping us off, right?

    This other 5K Trump promised was coming from he had in his hand, the 22.5 Trillion, and may not have needed congressional approval.

    How though? Was that the tariff money he was referring to? It don't really matter, unless some leftie wants to know ;)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Nov 9 08:39:11 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't smoke dope so I don't spend much time worrying about meteors
    and what not hitting my house.

    Most people don't, because we can correct assess the threat. But Elitists are not rational people. They tend to see "boogymen" everywhere.

    I think we are in the times where the Elites are not listening to the population.

    The Elitists never listen to the population. We are no different than cattle to them.

    Recall the French revolution?? "Let them eat cake" the
    elites misreads the room for too long and all hell breaks loose.

    Yup. We are getting close, it seems.

    I know, somethings up. I think Texas should do a hand recount and
    check the list of people who voted against the list of citizens.

    An audit of the votes and voter rolls are in order. But I know that here in Michigan, our SoS (now gov-elect), stonewalled for years on that for 2020.

    We could have had the Save Act but we had Thune as a leader.

    Thune is a traitor. His accounts need to be audited to see who's funding him.

    I saw a clip today where there was a Democrat angry and foaming at the mouth pissed off that the Democrats weren't hanging and or killing Republicans.

    The party of "inclusion" and "love" strikes again.

    They claim to be a big tent party, welp, now they have a group of
    people that want to take other peoples assets to be redistributed to
    those that didn't earn it. Others in that tent want the government support to open more Learing Centers, whereas others want open borders, Food Stamps and Universal Health Care, the list goes on.

    THe only people in their "big tent" are the clowns.

    This Democrat party will be screwed if they don't impeach everyone and burn the place down.

    They already are screwed. But they still think that they can work their way out of it.

    I think Barry did what he did, 1.0 or 2.0, to the US fail. He might
    get his wish. If the Democrats reopen the border it'll be like France, current times, within the months ahead.

    Which is why they needed to cheat big in Texas.

    It's been going on forever. The US has rebuilt Europe twice now, 1st
    and 2nd world wars. Canada leached off the US with their Trade Deals.

    And whenever you have free money being handed out, you will have the Left there to suck it up.

    I saw something quickly today that the US has given multiple TRILLIONS,
    I think it was 6, to help them establish themselves. AND we have
    nothing to show for it, nothing.

    We did at one point. Europe squandered it. "Good times create weak men."

    I'm sure the NGOs did well, but Africa did not.

    Africa can't be helped until the culture changes there.

    I heard that the Blue cities/states were even adding gas taxes and
    don't forget that Ukraine was bombing refineries as well.

    That's what happened in Michigan. We already had a high gas tax. But the Whit-less Tyrant wouldn't remove or reduce it.

    So the 16th Amendment came about, and it did so quickly. There was no upper limit added in giving them the ability to charge what level they want.

    This is what the Left is good at.

    We pass laws in the past with the best of intentions and the idea that people will be restrained using those laws. Then the Left walks in, subverts those laws to do things that are legal, but unintended and find the loopholes that allow them to do things they shouldn't.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 9 10:30:12 2026
    On 08 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    That explains that. There was no way to get the DOGE money to the taxpayers because it wasn't allocated for that. I wonder what did become of it then.


    You might not get any free sh!t this election cycle. Get excited about the future. Trump was saying that he might be able to balance the budget after DOGE et al. take care of all the fraud waste and abuse.

    Think of what this means to the debt and you children/grandchildren future, and the countries future for that matter.


    The tariff money went back to the countries who've been ripping us off, right?


    Some of the tariff money did... The RINOs and Democrats challenged one method he used to collect them. Trump just changed the reason he was collecting them and he's been doing so ever since.

    Under the new reason...

    Other countries charge tariffs, like Canada charges a 400% tariff for the US selling dairy products to Canada while other countries charge the US tariffs.

    Trump uses tariffs to keep people in check, like Canada and others to have stop abusing the US's compassion


    This other 5K Trump promised was coming from he had in his hand, the Trillion, and may not have needed congressional approval.

    How though? Was that the tariff money he was referring to? It don't
    really matter, unless some leftie wants to know ;)


    Some of the $2.5 Trillion that Trump talks about is commitment of companies moving manufacturing into the US and some of it is just cold hard cash.

    Trump said, during the rallies, that the $5000.00 checks would be coming from that pile of money and that he knew how to get it passed... His example was the $1776.00 he gave to the Military.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Nov 9 11:07:38 2026
    On 09 Nov 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    Most people don't, because we can correct assess the threat. But
    Elitists are not rational people. They tend to see "boogymen" everywhere.


    I understand this... A few weeks back I wrote someone here about Russia wanting to join NATO, I think they tried twice and they were rejected.

    I argued they should have accepted them and then told them what the costs were and gave them the rules on how to behave if they want to join the group.

    but they didn't make the offer to them, they needed a boogyman freak the masses out to control them.

    Fun fact, "An estimated 8.6 million to 10.9 million Soviet soldiers died during World War II, with some independent and archival estimates reaching up to 13.85 million.".

    Germany was responsible for death and destruction.

    An estimated 70 to 85 million people died during World War II (1939-1945), representing roughly 3% of the world's population at that time.

    Never mind the 6 Million +++ Jews they killed in gas chambers. But today we see Germany as a favorable country but reject working with country who fought beside us to free Europe from Hitler.

    This makes perfect sense to me.


    The Elitists never listen to the population. We are no different than cattle to them.

    Recall the French revolution?? "Let them eat cake" the
    elites misreads the room for too long and all hell breaks loose.

    Yup. We are getting close, it seems.


    I saw a fitting meme, I didn't save it though. The Grim Reaper knocking on doors with blood trails coming out of the rooms he had been in prior. The names on the doors where he visited prior said UK, Italy and France. He was knocking on the door that said USA... and Bubba answered the door with his AR.

    I wanted to pass what my parents and grandparents gave me, but its starting to look like they'll have to fight for a fraction of what we enjoyed.


    An audit of the votes and voter rolls are in order. But I know that
    here in Michigan, our SoS (now gov-elect), stonewalled for years on that for 2020.


    Whatever, for the next 60'ish days we have a Republican majority in Texas. Recount and check immigration status.

    After January 20th stonewall.


    Thune is a traitor. His accounts need to be audited to see who's
    funding him.


    He wants to be the minority leader and he wants a secret ballot so that those who voted for him won't be targeted.


    We did at one point. Europe squandered it. "Good times create weak
    men."


    This is why ăI think my grand-babies will have to fight their way out of this.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Mon Nov 9 15:09:52 2026
    You might not get any free sh!t this election cycle. Get excited about the future. Trump was saying that he might be able to balance the
    budget after DOGE et al. take care of all the fraud waste and abuse.

    Think of what this means to the debt and you children/grandchildren future, and the countries future for that matter.

    Yea, but how long can we stay excited about that? The left is hungrier than ever for money. As soon as Trump is out of the way, we'll all be fighting over a pork chop.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 9 19:37:24 2026
    On 09 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    Yea, but how long can we stay excited about that? The left is hungrier than ever for money. As soon as Trump is out of the way, we'll all be fighting over a pork chop.


    Relax a little... You're not going to get a handout, not even with the Democrats in charge. The admin has a few weeks to cram through some judges and other positions they were waiting on the Senate to process.

    We might not get 5K but there won't be any Learing Centers.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Tue Nov 10 07:14:58 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Whatever, for the next 60'ish days we have a Republican majority in
    Texas. Recount and check immigration status.

    After January 20th stonewall.

    Just like Michigan for 2020. Our SoS has been stonewalling and sabotaging the election records (illegally!) for all this time.

    Thune is a traitor. His accounts need to be audited to see who's
    funding him.

    He wants to be the minority leader and he wants a secret ballot so that those who voted for him won't be targeted.

    More like so we don't find out who the other RINOs are.

    This is why
    I think my grand-babies will have to fight their way out of this.

    Sadly, that's what it looks like.

    It took decades to create this mess. It will take decades to fix it.

    My hope is that the next 2 years Trump can wreck the Left's fraud machines so that we can spend decades fixing everything.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Tue Nov 10 10:30:52 2026
    Yea, but how long can we stay excited about that? The left is hungrie than ever for money. As soon as Trump is out of the way, we'll all be fighting over a pork chop.


    Relax a little... You're not going to get a handout, not even with the Democrats in charge. The admin has a few weeks to cram through some judges and other positions they were waiting on the Senate to process.

    I'm not looking for a handout. Come on Joe - you know me a little better than that by now. I think you're confusing something I said with something the leftie said.

    I was explaining to the leftie that I don't recall President Trump every promising anything; no promise to build the wall, no promise to send everyone $5000, no promises.

    "If a certain criteria is met we're gonna send everyone $5000"
    is different from:
    "I PROMISE that we're going to send everyone $5000 no matter what."

    Leftists only hear keywords and never context, so I had to spell it out for the guy.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Nov 10 15:05:56 2026
    On 10 Nov 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    More like so we don't find out who the other RINOs are.



    And it looks like we never will. Thune is back in through back room dealings. No open debate no open votes.

    Democracy, Republicans are starting to look like the Democrats.


    My hope is that the next 2 years Trump can wreck the Left's fraud
    machines so that we can spend decades fixing everything.


    Me too... I was watching someone today talking to Rubio and she was complaining about USAID being cut.

    Poor thing lost her funding :(

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Nov 10 15:24:00 2026
    On 10 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    I'm not looking for a handout. Come on Joe - you know me a little better than that by now. I think you're confusing something I said with
    something the leftie said.

    I was explaining to the leftie that I don't recall President Trump every promising anything; no promise to build the wall, no promise to send everyone $5000, no promises.

    "If a certain criteria is met we're gonna send everyone $5000"
    is different from:
    "I PROMISE that we're going to send everyone $5000 no matter what."

    Leftists only hear keywords and never context, so I had to spell it out for the guy.


    We witnessed first had here in the echo how leftist argue.

    I was feeling great, went to bed turned on YouTube and saw some Mullah in front of a camera saying that they are going to go back to setting up Muslim cities and districts now that Texas is blue.

    New Jersey is passing a law, as we speak, that will support Muslim take over and make it illegal to complain.

    Wait until @RonL sees what Abdul Allahu Akbar El-Sayed starts to do in Michigan.

    Commies are running 4 of the largest cities in the US. We might be at the end point already.

    Silver lining... Texas may be doing a hand recount.

    There is a God and he loves us.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Tue Nov 10 21:51:00 2026
    Commies are running 4 of the largest cities in the US. We might be at
    the end point already.

    Silver lining... Texas may be doing a hand recount.

    That should be done in a lot of places. This seems like a gigantic swindle.

    Here in my county the Communist governor "won" by a wide margin, but so did the Ultra-MAGA sheriff. What sense does that make? Whoever was in charge of the big fraud operation made a big mistake there - because it makes no sense for the results to end up this way.

    But despite everything, I'm grateful for my awesome MAGA sheriff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wed Nov 11 07:30:22 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Democracy, Republicans are starting to look like the Democrats.

    Too many of them are. That's part of the problem.

    Me too... I was watching someone today talking to Rubio and she was complaining about USAID being cut.

    Poor thing lost her funding :(

    "Cry harder, leftoid." :)


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wed Nov 11 07:30:22 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    I was feeling great, went to bed turned on YouTube and saw some Mullah
    in front of a camera saying that they are going to go back to setting
    up Muslim cities and districts now that Texas is blue.

    That's going to be kinda hard for them. I hear that mosques are burning in Texas now.

    New Jersey is passing a law, as we speak, that will support Muslim take over and make it illegal to complain.

    First Amendment violation on its face. Good luck getting that to hold up because it will go to the Supreme Court fast.

    Wait until @RonL sees what Abdul Allahu Akbar El-Sayed starts to do in Michigan.

    I'm not worried about him. He's a federal senator, so he won't do much to the state. I worry more about the Communists that got installed in the last election running the state into the ground, like the previous tyrant did.

    Commies are running 4 of the largest cities in the US. We might be at
    the end point already.

    If they convince the public that peaceful change is impossible, there's only one course left. And Americans own more guns than all other countries combined.

    Silver lining... Texas may be doing a hand recount.

    That needs to happen in nearly every state. Especially if the voter turnout > 100%.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 11 11:48:16 2026
    On 10 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    That should be done in a lot of places. This seems like a gigantic swindle.

    Here in my county the Communist governor "won" by a wide margin, but so did the Ultra-MAGA sheriff. What sense does that make? Whoever was in charge of the big fraud operation made a big mistake there - because it makes no sense for the results to end up this way.

    But despite everything, I'm grateful for my awesome MAGA sheriff.


    https://youtu.be/ZhPQjfIFSdo?si=SkIu5ukLpYAVR0Td

    Van Joans talks about the con

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Wed Nov 11 21:14:04 2026
    https://youtu.be/ZhPQjfIFSdo?si=SkIu5ukLpYAVR0Td

    Van Joans talks about the con

    I still don't get it. I don't use any social media systems though, not Facebook, X, Instagram, nothing. Is that why I don't know what he's talking about? Was there a big propaganda effort deployed on those platforms?

    The propaganda never reached me, not even if it tried. I saw propaganda on Fox News because that's the only news site that I read (besides my local news site.) But even if it reached most of America, I find it hard to believe that our smart voters are that gullable. I don't believe Glenn Beck about this, and I think Van Jones is just talking out his butthole like he always does.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 11 21:35:00 2026
    On 11 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I still don't get it. I don't use any social media systems though, not Facebook, X, Instagram, nothing. Is that why I don't know what he's talking about? Was there a big propaganda effort deployed on those platforms?

    The propaganda never reached me, not even if it tried. I saw propaganda
    on Fox News because that's the only news site that I read (besides my local news site.) But even if it reached most of America, I find it hard to believe that our smart voters are that gullable. I don't believe
    Glenn Beck about this, and I think Van Jones is just talking out his butthole like he always does.


    And here we are after the midterm and the Democrats won with no policies.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 12 11:27:20 2026
    On 11 Nov 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    I think it's just massive voter fraud. I don't think Van Jones was
    leaking anything; it's just an effort to make us think that it wasn't voter fraud.

    Van Jones didn't show us any examples; he just said that there was a big effort on social media. (Like what?) He's full of it.


    You're right... maybe... You don't distract everyone by saying you lied to the voters so that you can participate in other kinds of voter fraud.

    I think they used a shotgun approach. You'd think they could come up with policies that would be attractive, nope, just lies and BS.

    I hope they do some recounts and look at the voters and check that to the citizen lists. If I have to put up with IRS audits election results can go through the same process.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Nov 12 11:31:30 2026
    On 12 Nov 2026, Ron L. said the following...


    Just more proof of massive voter fraud.


    We have to get rid of Thune

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Thu Nov 12 20:20:34 2026
    I hope they do some recounts and look at the voters and check that to the citizen lists. If I have to put up with IRS audits election results can go through the same process.

    I hope so too. The results are very unbelievable. There's just no way.

    I guess I believe the 2020 elections, but not this year.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Fri Nov 13 07:13:51 2026
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Just more proof of massive voter fraud.

    We have to get rid of Thune

    If space aliens were to spirit him away today, I wouldn't shed a tear.


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