If we'd not illegally deported him to begin with, many of these potential costs wouldn't be happening. If he is not guilty, several other costs will
be avoided and, again, some of the initial costs for doing things the illegal way could have been avoided.

Sound logic and thought process, maybe too sound for some people.

Indeed. Sound logic is shunned these days in favor of knee-jerk
conspiracies and blind following.

It will be interesting over the last 3 years how things play out. If the system / constitution work as designed it does not matter how bad the sitting President is, as the Legislative and Judicual branch is supposed to check each
other and balance things out. If it doesn't then the everything is well and truely broken! That will be the true, and expensive thing that will need to b
worked out when everything is said and done.

Not just the next 3 years. The Judicial branch, especially, needs to be
sure not to set any bad precidents that could be cited later as proper
legal interpretation.

Some of the things going on now are not new. Back after Obama took office,
for example, he published a budget that had line items for NASA that were
all zeroed-out. Congress called him on that as only they have the
authority to grant and remove appropriations, and they had already
appropriated "> $0" money to the NASA budget items.

Obama backed down on $0 money but did negotiate cuts.

There just seems to be more of a concentration of efforts to get around Legislative and Judicial oversight these days.


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They are getting due process... The court they go through in an Immigration court and they see an Immigration Judge.

He went in front of a judge in 2019. The judge ruled to "Withold removal"!

ICE ignored this order and deported him anyway.. How is this due process?!

It is a clever way to claim that the defendent got their due process while
the current authorities totally disregard the results of that due process.

It is also a fantasy-land response that ignores that allowing authorities
to ignore due process, court orders, etc., means that it can also happen to
any of us... lefty, MAGA, moderate, Democrat, Republican, etc... at any
time.

Over time you will realize there are a lot of folks on fidonet that seems
to understand the danger of setting bad legal precident, but only so long
as it doesn't apply to something that someone they voted for is trying to
do.

If you try to apply it to "their" leader, they either cannot or refuse to comprehend the potential fallout.

As an aside, those same folks will also have grave comprehension issues
when it comes to understanding why parts of the Constitution are worded to protect "people" while others are specific to "citizens." To them,
"people" only are people if they are "citizens."

For example, as a citizen, it will never occur to them that they might one day need to depend on their right to due process in order to be able to prove
they are a citizen. They believe their word will protect them.

That belief, of course, will change should the person they voted for not be
the one that takes office. Then they will spend the next 4 or so years contradicting whatever they said/claimed during the previous 4 or so years.


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He went in front of a judge in 2019. The judge ruled to "Withold removal"!

ICE ignored this order and deported him anyway.. How is this due process?!

They didn't rule that... they said don't send him to El Salvidor because he might be targeted by by a rival Gang member.

And yet, instead of incarcerating him in the states, or at Gitmo, they sent
him where?

HINT: they sent him to the country they were told not to send him, which
means the order was ignored.

Maybe you need to grab a dictionary and look up the definition of "ignored"?


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Dumas Walker wrote to RUG RAT <=-

It is a clever way to claim that the defendent got their due process
while the current authorities totally disregard the results of that due process.

He already had his due process since there was already a warrant out for his deporation. But I see the Ignorant Elitists keep ignoring facts that counter their false Narrative.

And you (and the judge, it seems) also ignore the fact that he was an illegal alien, therefore not entitled to **any** protection under our laws.

And then there's the fact that the judge overstepped his authority and his order was not legal. But the Ignorant Elitists here keep ignoring the fact that judges have rather clear bounds on their authority and we do not have to obey a judge who has stepped outside of his legal authority.

Judges are not rulers. But the Ignorant Elitists keep pushing the talking point that judges are here to rule over all of us. Probably because their masters don't like the fact that they've lost all other levers of power.

But don't worry too much. Judges that overstep their bounds too often can be removed from the bench - and possibly imprisoned.


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On Sun 22-Jun-2025 9:53a, Ron L.@1:120/616.0 said to Dumas Walker:

He already had his due process since there was already a warrant out for his
deporation. But I see the Ignorant Elitists keep ignoring facts that counter
their false Narrative.

The only person who seems to be ignoring facts, are the ones blindly following and chanting MAGA.

A deportation warrant or notice is only the FIRST step in the process not the last.

A deportation warrant or notice in its most simplest terms is a notice to appear, or arrest in detain. There is then a hearing in front of an immigration judge. Neither the President nor the ICE officers are judges and can carte blanche summary execute an actual order of deprtation. There is no sneaking the potential deportee's onto a plane in the middle of the night.

So, due process was ignored.

And you (and the judge, it seems) also ignore the fact that he was an illegal
alien, therefore not entitled to **any** protection under our laws.

Pattently untrue, as has been pointed out in multiple responses. You argue like my exgirlfriend. Totally based on your feelings, or what some dubious source has told you, and choose your hill to die on regardless of FACTS.

The Supreme Court has rules multiple times, and set multiple precedents that every person present in the United States regardless of their legal status.

Specifically:

The right to due process. (5th, 6th, 14th Amendment)
The right to legal counsel (6th Amendment)
The right against unreasable Searches and Seizures (4th Amendment).
The right to not incriminate themselfs (5th Amendment).
The right to public education (14th Amendment).

Supreme court cases that have set precendence for this.

Plyler v. Doe
Zadvydas v. Davis
US V. Wong Kim Ark
Johnson v. Artega-Martinez
Jennings v.s Rodriguez

You also have no basis of saying the Judge overstepped his bounds, where if that was the case his order would have been overturned by appeal, which DID NOT HAPPEN. There is very little that will overturn a courts ruling. Except maybe a pardon. That is the way the founding fathers setup our Government, for the purposes of checks and balances.

If only you would take a break from Fox News and use the tools that avaialble to you. I can recommend several, start with Google.

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On 16 Jun 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...

And yet, instead of incarcerating him in the states, or at Gitmo, they sent him where?

HINT: they sent him to the country they were told not to send him, which means the order was ignored.

Maybe you need to grab a dictionary and look up the definition of "ignored"?

No I don't need a dictionary... He is MS13. He took advantage of the females he trafficked he also took advantage of the young girls her trafficked... He also trafficked people vulnerable... Its alleged that he murdered the mother of a gang member... and he beat his wife and she was fearful of her life.

I say don't worry about this guy... He had his day in court...

You need to focus on the "Nice" migrants... The ones that are cleaning wealthy liberal homes and being exploited for slave labor.

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Quoting Dumas Walker to Rug Rat <=-

They are getting due process... The court they go through in an Immigration court and they see an Immigration Judge.

He went in front of a judge in 2019. The judge ruled to "Withold removal"!

ICE ignored this order and deported him anyway.. How is this due process?!

It is a clever way to claim that the defendent got their due process
while the current authorities totally disregard the results of that due process.

It is also a fantasy-land response that ignores that allowing
authorities to ignore due process, court orders, etc., means that it
can also happen to any of us.

Warning - double ingorance.

In your opinion, and of course this is only my opinion. Apparently your
opinion of grave circumstances takes precedence. We all have our
'feelings'.

Over time you will realize there are a lot of folks on fidonet that
seems to understand the danger of setting bad legal precident, but only
so long as it doesn't apply to something that someone they voted for is trying to do.

Over time...

If you try to apply it to "their" leader, they either cannot or refuse
to comprehend the potential fallout.

I like how you explain it as "their" leader. Everyone's an armchair lawyer
and a soothsayer to boot ~ since he's not "your" leader...

As an aside, those same folks will also have grave comprehension
issues when it comes to understanding why parts of the Constitution are worded to protect "people" while others are specific to "citizens." To them, "people" only are people if they are "citizens."

For example, as a citizen, it will never occur to them that they might
one day need to depend on their right to due process in order to be
able to prove they are a citizen. They believe their word will protect them.

That belief, of course, will change should the person they voted for
not be the one that takes office. Then they will spend the next 4 or
so years contradicting whatever they said/claimed during the previous 4
or so years.

I find it funny that you mention this last bit, since it appears to apply
to you and your way of thinking. You are self describing, as it were...

But you don't realize it.

Have a great day!
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Quoting Rug Rat to Ron L. <=-

On Sun 22-Jun-2025 9:53a, Ron L.@1:120/616.0 said to Dumas Walker:

He already had his due process since there was already a warrant out for his
deporation. But I see the Ignorant Elitists keep ignoring facts that counter
their false Narrative.

The only person who seems to be ignoring facts, are the ones blindly following and chanting MAGA.

As opposed to the ones chanting 'death to America'? You seem to have TDS.
You start slavering whenever Trump is mentioned. Spittle starts flying and
your nose is running. Take a few moments to relax your voice or you'll get
laryngitis.

A deportation warrant or notice is only the FIRST step in the process

Another armchair lawyer.

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On 25 Jun 2025, Don Vally said the following...

Another armchair lawyer.

And you forgot Constitutional Expert

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Warning - double ingorance.

Agreed. That is what I think every time your name pops up in this echo.
Thanks for warning us this time before continuing your post.


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And you (and the judge, it seems) also ignore the fact that he was an illegal alien, therefore not entitled to **any** protection under our laws.

Wrong. The 5th and 14th do not use the word "citizen" but the word
"person." Due process is what, in this case, would allow a "person" to
prove their status. James Madison worded the 5th very carefully.

I thought I was in your "filter"? Looks like you need to fix it...
although I know that multimail doesn't have one.


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And yet, instead of incarcerating him in the states, or at Gitmo, they sent him where?

HINT: they sent him to the country they were told not to send him, which
means the order was ignored.

Maybe you need to grab a dictionary and look up the definition of "ignored"?

I see you cut out the part where you contradicted yourself, Al... I mean,
Joe.

No I don't need a dictionary... He is MS13. He took advantage of the females he trafficked he also took advantage of the young girls her trafficked... He also trafficked people vulnerable... Its alleged that he murdered the mother o
a gang member... and he beat his wife and she was fearful of her life.

It doesn't matter what he did. If he did these things, he needs his day in court to be held accountable for them... persons are not determined guity
in this country without a trial....

I say don't worry about this guy... He had his day in court...

Only because enough people worried about his (and their) rights that the administration was forced to go back on their word and *bring him back*.


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On 23 Jun 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...

It doesn't matter what he did. If he did these things, he needs his day in court to be held accountable for them... persons are not determined guity in this country without a trial....

I think Maryland Dad was/is being deported based on the Prior Deportation orders. Supreme Cort gave the go ahead to deport to 3rd countries. So... He's gone, or going, to some other location.

Only because enough people worried about his (and their) rights that the administration was forced to go back on their word and *bring him back*.

I personally think you guys should focus on these types of people... Please keep it up!!!

BTW, Maryland Dad was not being deported because of the recent Human Trafficking allegation... He had an order to be deported from a few years back. He had his day in court already, and it was appealed and the Appellate Court upheld this order.

I would give a suggestion to speak about the nice Illegals and let Trump get rid of the convicted criminals who have deportation orders already.

But not the Left... They are out fighting for the Illegal who impregnated a physically and mentally challenged person.

Pedro, the poor bastard cutting your lawn for 5 bucks needs you guys to help him... But no... You out fighting for the worst of the worst.

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Dumas Walker wrote to Dr. What <=-

I thought I was in your "filter"? Looks like you need to fix it... although I know that multimail doesn't have one.

You weren't, but you are now.

Especially because you've pretty much admitted that you've been here under a fake name.

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